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Riley Craven
Caldari
Copacetic Corporation
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Posted - 2007.09.17 23:02:00 -
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Edited by: Riley Craven on 17/09/2007 23:06:25
 Originally by: Nyphur
I don't think I would like to log in one day to find that I was 20 billion isk poorer. And no, that's not perceived value, I paid 20 billion total for my small stack of T2 bpos and that is still their current resale value.
The debate is whether or not to convert T2 bpos to infinite run bpcs in order to prevent copying but that still won't put us on the same level as inventors. There's no way to level the playing field without screwing over people that paid a lot of isk for what was understood at the time to be a permanant investment (a T2 bpo).
Oh oh, FINALLY, a post you are wrong!!! Ya.
The solution to your situation is very simple.
Convert t2 bpos to have enough runs to build off of them for 1 year.
Most t2 bpos are bought on the presumption of the idea that they will start to be profitable at year 1 (or at least the investment made will have been returned)
Because Eve is a harsh world, and changes happen all the time where people loose billions (JPG buys for example) that is the best you could hope for.
If anyone bought a t2 bpo that would take longer then a year to make returns, then they were foolish and as such have suffered the consequences. In any case commidities over time change, and there really is no arguement that you could make that would legitimize the need for t2 bpos further.
The debate in this case should not be, give me more t2 bpos, or covnert t2 bpos to infinite runs, it should be how much longer do t2 bpos stay in game. Because new items dont have bpos there is no reason the old items should have them either.
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Riley Craven
Caldari
Copacetic Corporation
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Posted - 2007.09.17 23:08:00 -
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Edited by: Riley Craven on 17/09/2007 23:09:36
Originally by: Nyphur
You know as well as I do that this is a matter of opinion and there is no right or wrong. However, as a counterargument, I suggest that I would never have bought any T2 bpos unless I thought them to be a permanant investment. This is a fact, it was my motivation for their purchase and I am not alone.
Thats a good arguement to make, and frankly about the only one you could have made.
Sadly, you and I both know that NOTHING in Eve is permananant. As such it fails as well.
You might argue stations, and planets are permanant... but at the rate all the foolish PvPers are complaining for a slash and burn option those wont be either.
Eve is a game of change... you of all people should know that. Its not about infinity, its about adapting and living in a harsh world.
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Riley Craven
Caldari
Copacetic Corporation
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Posted - 2007.09.17 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Riley Craven
You might argue stations, and planets are permanant... but at the rate all the foolish PvPers are complaining for a slash and burn option those wont be either.
Are you suggesting we be allowed to destroy planets?
Lol, I dont know maybe? At this point it wouldnt matter either way as they serve no purpose other than for moons to orbit.
I am sure would Molle would love the option to use the doomsday on a couple Goon held planets...
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Riley Craven
Caldari
Copacetic Corporation
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Posted - 2007.09.18 03:25:00 -
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Edited by: Riley Craven on 18/09/2007 03:26:37
Originally by: Cassiuss
For those corps who have been around a few years, changing them into long run BPCs isn't even an option. A good portion of the player base would quit and CCP would have some pretty angry people/corps/alliances to deal with. Which I am sure they don't want when there are better solutions.
I would gather that these BPOs will come in handy again once Tech3 is introduced. Once T3 starts you T2 inventors will have a niche market.
Feel better? Just play the waiting game like the rest of us.
Oh and pay no attention to Gob, he has had his whines in the past I am sure. 
Thats pretty funny mate. Do you realize how many changes have happened over the course of this game that have sucked? Sure a couple people might leave, but all your doomsaying will amount to squat. The bottom line is you dont know the true outcome and are merely guessing off of unreliable data.
Besides do you even know what your talking about in regardes to T3??? Unlikely. T3 as stated by TomB or another dev are supposed to be modules that handle heat better, not more uber mods. How on earth you think T2 BPO holders will benefit from this is beyond comprehension.
I know for a fact this probably would hurt BoB the most. I was with BoB when I made the initial call for t2 BPOS to be changed. I suggest you think about what your corp name actually means for a change. People dont win because they live in the past, they win because they stay ahead of the game. I think TWD provided a perfect showcase of that concept in the Allaince Tourny. Good Day.
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Riley Craven
Caldari
Copacetic Corporation
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Posted - 2007.09.18 03:54:00 -
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Originally by: Xilimyth Derlin
Ok, we'll make a compromise. Make all those Tech 2 BPOs BPCs...
However, they get a number of runs equal to the maximum value of an integer... or perhaps an unsigned integer :D. *grins evilly*
bits or bytes :)
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Riley Craven
Caldari
Copacetic Corporation
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Posted - 2007.09.18 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Cassiuss
Oh noes! Alt smack.
Of course I was guessing, I have no idea what's to come thats the beauty and fun in anticipating. I wasn't speaking as an authority just someone who is looking forward to some new changes.
As for my corp or BoB, sounds like your the one living in the past m8. Get over it, enjoy your empire corp no need for bitter grapes here. Move on...evolve if you will. 
T2 BPO's will remain as they are for corps and alliances who have invested the bajillions in them. Thats not changing now, or anytime foreseeable. Christ, do you want to drive everyone to empire for ships and mods cause your average pvper whos fighting the war on terror ain't doin invention out in o.o, or maybe you lost sight of that. Well maybe those gheys in the drone regions are but the rest dont :)
Anyhow, T3 is a comin and that should prove very cool.
Alt Smack eh? Maybe you should actually look at the history of my character in game before you start saying stupid stuff. Further, just because I am in empire and not in BoB doesnt mean I am bitter. I left because I wanted to leave, I wasn't kicked, or anything else for that matter. As far as I am concerned your the one putting bitter grapes into people's mouths.
While you may be right that t2 Bpos will remain the same for the foreseeable future, it is my hope one day that CCP will have the sense to make that change. The thing is I am not sure what the point of your having to go to empire to invent really means... you have to go to empire for pos fuels... I dont see why brining datacores to 0.0 and continuing a production line there would be such a burden. Its not as if the cores are heavy. I mean really are your average pvpers working on the industry side of anything in 0.0 in the first place? I was in BNC.E and about as much help as we got from BNC was protection for our convoys etc. They did their thing and we did ours. Of course I bet you dont even know how things work in your own corp so why should I bother explaining it to you.
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